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Beerus (surpressed @Goku SSJ3) Vs Vegetto
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 11:06 AM (1,389 Views)
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Dec 22 2014, 12:46 AM
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Dec 21 2014, 10:50 PM
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Well I'm not going to waste my energy and burn some calories typing up a response here. It's clear that if I disagree with your opinion then I'm a troll, and I'm twisting things.

Doesn't sound like a fun debate to me.
Tell, I want to hear what you gotta say.
My major ideas are posted in this thread: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8506548/1/

The part about merging was somewhat countered by the Funimation subs, but it's still a viable argument.
Your entire argument is countered by the Kaishions being able to create earings. Gohan saw this and doesn't think it's enough to stop Beerus, other-wise he would of brought it up.

Goku discredits any argument for Vegtto.

Try again.
Your entire argument is countered by the fact that Goku/Vegeta stated that they would never use potara again. Remember how they broke the earrings twice? It's not even going through their minds.

In the famous words of myst1c, "Debunked."
if an adversary came into being that surpassed Vegetto, of course Goku would want to use the potara. It's in character.

Kaioshins can create earings.
Goku say it wouldn't work.

Beerus Suppresed > SSJ3 Vegetto

Concrete fact,
So now Goku can predict how strong a SSJ3 Vegetto would be, but you still argue that he's wrong about SSJ Gotenks pre?

Going by your logic now;

Goku says Gotenks would be stronger than him.

SSJ Gotenks pre > SSJ3 Goku

Concrete fact,
Edited by Six Trails, Dec 22 2014, 12:23 PM.
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Dec 22 2014, 12:39 AM
If you're talking to me I don't follow since even Vegeta and Trunks no longer uses the form. And if you're trying to make a comparison, then I find it funny cause both cases are very different in terms of methods.

Potara is everlasting, ASSJ is temporary.

And besides that, unlike the Potara's, the ASSJ transformation is a non-factor against Cell. With the Potara, they would at least have a chance.
I'm making a comparison, yeah. In both cases, the characters have stated or implied that they aren't going to use the technique/transformation again. If we're going to say that Goku was talking about the Potara, even though he's said before that he wasn't going to consider it again, why shouldn't we factor in Grade 2 and Grade 3?

Nobody knew that ASSJ was a non-factor against Cell. Goku knew that Cell was stronger than him, but he didn't know by how much.
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Dec 22 2014, 01:01 PM
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If you're talking to me I don't follow since even Vegeta and Trunks no longer uses the form. And if you're trying to make a comparison, then I find it funny cause both cases are very different in terms of methods.

Potara is everlasting, ASSJ is temporary.

And besides that, unlike the Potara's, the ASSJ transformation is a non-factor against Cell. With the Potara, they would at least have a chance.
I'm making a comparison, yeah. In both cases, the characters have stated or implied that they aren't going to use the technique/transformation again. If we're going to say that Goku was talking about the Potara, even though he's said before that he wasn't going to consider it again, why shouldn't we factor in Grade 2 and Grade 3?

Nobody knew that ASSJ was a non-factor against Cell. Goku knew that Cell was stronger than him, but he didn't know by how much.
Only thing wrong with that is this is before Goku actually fought him when he was trying to gauge Perfect-Cell's power. And the ASSJ was a non-factor to those on the Lookout; it burns through to much Ki as a starting point, and as Goku went about explaining to Vegeta and the group examining they're MSSJ state it won't really do any good.

Then later when the Cell Jr.s were born, both Vegeta and Trunks only went SSJ. Sounds like to me that they dropped the form.

Either way, I wouldn't mind having just SSJ Vegito as the one Birusu @ SSJ3 Goku could beat, but I do know thanks to Goku as a SSJG is more amazed with his current level then what could've been with Vegito.
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